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Re: VARA P2P

Chiefsfan2
 

Make sure in the new message box under send as make sure that is marked for peer to peer. I did the same thing馃榾

On Jul 31, 2020, 16:01 -0500, Ron via groups.io <rwenig@...>, wrote:
Pat,

Make sure that the message you send is a P2P type.

73, Ron NY3J

On 7/31/20 4:29 PM, pat obrien wrote:
NEED HELP
I put the winlink in P2P, type a msg, connect with a station , but the message does not go out to the other station.
It works in all other modes pactor, ardop etc and sends messages, so must be doing something wrong but what NO idea.
Any suggestions?
tnx
POB/K8LEN


Re: VARA P2P

 

Pat,

Make sure that the message you send is a P2P type.

73, Ron NY3J

On 7/31/20 4:29 PM, pat obrien wrote:
NEED HELP
I put the winlink in P2P, type a msg, connect with a station , but the message does not go out to the other station.
It works in all other modes pactor, ardop etc and sends messages, so must be doing something wrong but what NO idea.
Any suggestions?
tnx
POB/K8LEN


VARA P2P

pat obrien <2WR796@...>
 

NEED HELP
I put the winlink in P2P, type a msg, connect with a station , but the message does not go out to the other station.
It works in all other modes pactor, ardop etc and sends messages, so must be doing something wrong but what NO idea.
Any suggestions?
tnx
POB/K8LEN


Re: Opera QSO party running on 7038

Graham
 

Recent聽 activity聽 No TA spots聽 聽showing -

2020-07-27 22:28:50 KD0YTE EN30QF KC0FGX EN30SE 15 7.038 -6 Op2_||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||_~6dB
2020-07-27 22:11:45 KC0FGX EN30SE KD0YTE EN30QF 15 7.038 -1 Op2_||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||_~1dB

2020-07-27 16:41:46 RX3DHR KO94KS SV8RV KM07KS 2.328 7.038 -23 Op2_||||||_~23dB


Re: Whats new in VARA 4 ? #VARA #qrp

Graham
 

Trick's聽 of the聽 trade聽

The low speed聽 ranges聽 of the聽 2.3KHz聽 聽wide聽 mode ,聽 are聽 designed聽 for a聽 filter
bandwidth聽 of ~ 1.5 KHz , higher levels requiring the聽 full聽 channel聽聽

As聽 user聽 data and experiences聽 are gathered, one aspect聽 has become clear ,聽 the聽
full聽 2.4 KHz voice聽 channel聽 is not聽 always聽 fully聽 available, hence to聽 ensure聽
maximum efficiency , ie power transfer in the聽 lower聽 ranges , the聽 modem allows聽
for constricted聽 channel聽 bandwidth,聽 either by聽 the聽 various聽 user interfaces聽 or聽
filter bandwidth

Thus聽 ensuring the聽 bedrock聽 -20 dB聽 is achievable ,聽 independently聽 of聽
equipment聽 irregularities ,聽 two聽 images聽 make the聽 point , using the
opera聽 waterfall聽 display , with聽 mouse聽 pointer/frequency聽 as measurement聽
tool ,

First聽 ic7100聽 with聽 2.5 KHz usable聽 bandwidth聽 in data聽 mode聽
using digital filtering . direct USB link to聽 pc聽

The聽 second , FT897D offering a聽 much rounded response
with聽 app聽 1.5 KHz usable聽 bandwidth** using聽 usb聽
soundblaster 24 bit聽 audio聽 card , fed聽 from聽 rig聽 data聽
out聽

** Why this is so,聽 may聽 be due to聽 filter聽 ageing ?

IC7100


FT897D聽 { 10 years聽 old ]


Re: Whats new in VARA 4 ? #VARA #qrp

Graham
 
Edited

Interesting聽 comments聽 from聽 LA gateway聽 聽using the聽 500聽 mode聽

Link maintaining聽 聽traffic聽 聽[ qso]聽 聽flow聽 down to聽 聽-20 dB s/n聽聽
over quite difficult聽 high聽 latitude paths聽 , oddly , the聽 latest
simulator聽 tests , stop at -5 db s/n聽 ?

-20 .. Thats聽 a significantly聽 Low聽 signal level, well聽 inside
what聽 could be聽 classed as聽 weak signals聽 mode , for聽 comparison
the聽 op05 opera beacon聽 30 seconds ,聽 and聽 the聽 'qso mode 15 chrs plain text聽
60 second tx time聽 line.聽 both聽 run to -20 dB possible聽 -23 dB聽

As example ,聽 F5ZAL is a聽 2 meter聽 fixed beacon ,聽 聽running聽 10聽 watts聽 to聽 'halo'聽 type聽 ae聽 with聽 360 deg coverage , op05 / 30 second聽 mode,聽 being聽 spotted at聽 546 Km,聽 at levels that聽 would聽 support the聽 Vara聽 2300聽 and聽 500聽 modem聽聽

F5ZAL F5SN 2m OPERA 546 km 18:01:24
2020-07-22 19:53:18 F5ZAL AA F5SN JN27RB 0 144.475 -15 Op05_||||||||_~16dB
2020-07-22 18:24:33 F5ZAL AA F5SN JN27RB 0 144.475 -13 Op05_||||||||||||_~14dB
2020-07-22 18:05:01 F5ZAL AA F5SN JN27RB 0 144.475 -10 Op05_||||||||||||||||||_~11dB
2020-07-22 18:01:28 F5ZAL AA F5SN JN27RB 0 144.475 -16 Op05_||||||||_~16dB
2020-07-22 12:50:50 F5ZAL AA F5SN JN27RB 0 144.475 -15 Op05_||||||||||_~15dB
2020-07-22 12:29:32 F5ZAL AA F5SN JN27RB 0 144.475 -10 Op05_||||||||||||||||||||_~10dB
2020-07-22 12:17:06 F5ZAL AA F5SN JN27RB 0 144.475 -16 Op05_||||||||_~16dB
2020-07-22 12:15:20 F5ZAL AA F5SN JN27RB 0 144.475 -17 Op05_||||||_~17dB
2020-07-22 12:02:54 F5ZAL AA F5SN JN27RB 0 144.475 -16 Op05_||||||||_~16dB
2020-07-22 11:29:11 F5ZAL AA F5SN JN27RB 0 144.475 -17 Op05_||||_~18dB
2020-07-22 11:25:38 F5ZAL AA F5SN JN27RB 0 144.475 -15 Op05_||||||||||_~15dB


73- Graham
g0nbd


Easypal Ver07/Oct/2014 issue

Andrew Mummert
 

When we start up EasyPai, there is a light grey flow on the waterfall.

No activity in the wave bar. No IO, No RX.

This is happening even without the radio attached.

Has anyone come across this issue?

Andrew
W3AND


Re: Whats new in VARA 4 ? #VARA #qrp

Tomasz
 

Thank you for the quick reply !
I will look for a solution.

73 Tomek
SP5LOT


vARIM Messaging Program for VARA HF Modem - version 1.2

Bob NW8L
 

Hello,
Introducing version 1.2 of vARIM, a host program for message passing and file transfer using the VARA HF modem. Download links are here:
on the vARIM Documentation page.
Files are also available in the Files area at the arim-ham Groups.io group:
This is a maintenance release. Changes include:
v1.2聽 12Jul2020
---------------
1. Refresh Top Status Bar when port name is changed with the
聽 聽'pname' command.
2. During an ARQ session, update timestamp in Heard List whenever
聽 聽data is received from the remote station.
3. Immediately detach from the VARA modem on detecting that it has
聽 聽closed the TCP connections (e.g. VARA shut down by operator)
聽 聽and reset application state.
vARIM is a peer-to-peer messaging and file transfer for HF bands. It will run on Linux, Raspberry Pi, Cygwin/X on Windows and Windows Subsystem for Linux (WSL) on Windows 10. The VARA modem runs only on Windows computers, but vARIM can run in Cygwin/X or WSL on the Windows computer, which is convenient. Alternatively, you can run vARIM on a Linux or RPi computer and attach it to a VARA modem instance running on a Windows computer in the same local area network.
For Linux OS, the binary distributions are for Ubuntu 18.04 and derivatives like Linux Mint 19.x only. It's best to compile vARIM from source code to avoid library versioning problems. It's easy, instructions are found in the INSTALL file included in the source distribution (with instructions for Fedora 28 and derivatives, and for Cygwin/X too).
vARIM works with VARA HF version 4.0.x which introduces a robust 500Hz ARQ bandwidth option. vARIM allows you to specify which bandwidth to use in the .ini file, or as a choice in the "ARQ Connect" dialog (500 or 2300 Hz).
To key the rig, if VOX isn't suitable, vARIM supports hardware PTT using serial port RTS or DTR signals. This works on Linux, RPi, Cygwin/X and WSL using built in serial ports or USB-to-Serial converter cables. PTT setup details are found in the Help page.聽
I have a station running VARA HF version 4.0.3 on (dial) 7.085 MHz that's available for testing. The station call sign is NW8L and it will be configured for ARQ using the 500Hz bandwidth. It might be QRT from time to time if thunderstorms are in the area (near Albuquerque, NM). At NW8L vARIM is running in WSL on the same Windows 10 laptop that hosts the VARA HF modem. The audio interface is a USB sound card connected to line in and line out jacks on the rig. The rig is keyed using vARIM's hardware PTT (DTS) over a USB-to-Serial converter cable between computer and rig.
If anyone using VARA HF has time to test vARIM I would be interested in your results and bug reports. If you install vARIM, try connecting to NW8L on (dial) 7.085MHz and sending me a message!
73,
Bob NW8L


Re: Whats new in VARA 4 ? #VARA #qrp

Andrew OBrien
 

if you are using paired virtual ports , try removing the paired ports and then re-create the pair聽

Andy


On Jul 12, 2020, at 10:13 AM, Graham <g0nbd@...> wrote:

锘縏omeck ,聽

Ros,聽 suspects , there is another application runinning that has acquired the com port
Needed to address the modem ...

Might聽 need a little knife and forking , in the device manager聽 to see what is聽
Using what resource聽 聽

Or post into the vara user groups, which is in Google groups , should
get a more tailored response聽

73 Graham
G0nbd


Re: Whats new in VARA 4 ? #VARA #qrp

Graham
 

Tomeck ,聽

Ros,聽 suspects , there is another application runinning that has acquired the com port
Needed to address the modem ...

Might聽 need a little knife and forking , in the device manager聽 to see what is聽
Using what resource聽 聽

Or post into the vara user groups, which is in Google groups , should
get a more tailored response聽

73 Graham
G0nbd


Re: Need info on reliable refurbished computer source

Rick Brown
 

ASUS E203MA is less than $200.00. I bought 2, one for the Mobile setup and one for an RMS Gateway.

Regards
Rick


Winmor to be dropped from Winlink

Andrew OBrien
 

https://winlink.org/content/winmor_deprecated

Many of us in this group enjoyed early experimentation with Rick鈥檚 Winmor and reliable use of this mode on Winlink and P2P . 聽Thanks to Rick for this and for his work with the current ARDOP.聽



Andy K3UK


Re: Whats new in VARA 4 ? #VARA #qrp

Tomasz
 

Hello.

I have a problem with Vara HF V4.03 settings with Winlink Express. With the previous version and my settings, everything works. Now winlink does not control the PTT of the Vara modem. Vara Terminal with the same PTT settings works with Vara HF V 4.03 without any problem. RMS works and controls PTT in other ardop winmor modes etc. What could be the problem?

All the Best, 73
SP5LOT / Tomek


New release of MULTIPSK (4.43.1) #Multipsk

Patrick Lindecker
 

New release of MULTIPSK (4.43.1)

Pour les francophones: la version en fran莽ais de ce message se trouve sur mon site (http://f6cte.free.fr). Il suffit de cliquer sur le lien "Principales modifications (courriel avertissant de la sortie de la nouvelle version)".


Hello to all Ham and SWL,

The new release of MultiPSK (4.43.1) is on my Web site (http://f6cte.free.fr/index_anglais.htm).
The mirror site is Earl's, N8KBR: https://www.paazig.net/f6cte/MULTIPSK_setup.exe

The MD5 signature of the downloaded MULTIPSK_setup.exe file to, possibly, check (with WinMD5 for example), that the downloading works without error, is equal to:

d24088f4a08b45e3f55075191d008734

Multipsk associated to Clock are freeware programs but with functions submitted to a licence (by user key).

The main improvements of MULTIPSK 4.43.1 are the following:

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Addition of the Contestia 16-250 sub-mode + its RS ID (number 275).
This sub-mode can be used under a noisy channel (minimum signal to noise ratio of -15 dB) with a reasonable characters transmission speed, of about 20 wpm.

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Decoding improvement of ACARS, SYNOP, EGC and VDL2 modes.

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Addition of two prediction functions in the "Satellites" window:
- over time "Advance" function, to see the satellites trajectories in the future, up to 4 h,
- minimum distance in km/miles + azimuth and elevation at the shortest distance between the satellite and the user.

Other improvements:

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 "Knots" unit added for HFDL, ACARS, VDL2, AERO, ADSB modes.

聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽聽 Integration of the rsp_tcp.exe V.1.1 file for the Multipsk interface with the SDRplay RSPdx receiver. However, the SDRuno version 1.4 program must be installed. For more information, see: https://wiki.radioreference.com/index.php/Connect_the_SDRPlay_RSPs_via_TCP_IP_to_Multipsk

Note about translation of Multipsk.exe and Clock .exe:聽 the 4.43 version of Multipsk has been translated to Spanish by Joachin (EA4ZB), from French.

See: http://f6cte.free.fr/Translation_files.htm.

73

Patrick




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Re: Whats new in VARA 4 ? #VARA #qrp

K6ETA
 

Hi Andy,

I guess if you only want to talk about popularity and adoption I can kind of see that there's a point in there somewhere. Even that is a very strange conversation... because even popularity may be due to other things.

FT8 (and increasingly JS8Call) are 'popular' mostly due to the sunspot cycle minimum. When the bands come back they will probably be dropped like a damp rag. Why? because they are SO SLOW as to be nearly useless for actual communication beyond the brief exchange. When the bands are wide open, even a 'wet noodle' will outperform them. BUT, at the moment they are absolutely great for DX and very, very basic communication. Similarly in tough condx at any point in the sunspot cycle. I use them with a smile on my face.

I think popularity is an odd criteria for the value of a mode though.

If you have ever been on an NBEMS net using FLDigi, etc., it becomes very obvious that you want the *right mode for the mission*. That 'right mode' will change with condx, equipment and user skill. So the Software *Modem* programs and hardware (like VARA, ARDOP, PACTOR, etc.) become a part of the *skill* factor as they switch modes automatically so less skill is needed. So these *Modems*, not to be confused with modes, add an extra value.

FLDigi is like a Swiss Army Knife and any one mode may not be super popular, but its suite of modes is hugely useful to those who have learned some skills and have a variety of missions.

FT8 and soon JS8Call are the obvious evolution for the *mission* that was once carried out by PSK31 and RTTY before it. Those modes are still 'popular' during their various contests, but mode popularity is like a form of fashion. What's in vogue today will change tomorrow. The fact that RTTY sprints are still a thing speaks volumes though!

Anyway, it's an odd conversation and reminds me of comparing all camping gear whether it's for fishing, eating, sleeping or carrying heavy things around. All the gear serves a various set of needs.

73 de K6ETA




On 7/7/20 8:33 AM, Andrew O'Brien wrote:
I was not intending to "compare" them.聽 I have fun with all of them.聽 聽I was attempting to contrast the popularity of FT8 and 4 with the many attempts over the years to get wider adoption of various digital modes that have come and gone. My point was that most modes are minority interest聽and that mass utilization of a particular mode is closely associated聽with award chasing.聽 Ardop, Winmor and others do have many users thanks to their utility and a dedicated core group of emcomm types , but wider use is not likely because the masses center on award chasing. Example:聽 If magically a keyboard QSO of ARDOP came out tomorrow with decoding capability聽five times 'deeper" than FT8 but for some reason, ARRL excluded it from DXCC, it would not gain wide adoption.聽 聽Perhaps a long-winded way of me pointing out that awards are the biggest attraction to the average HF ham.聽

Andy K3UK聽



On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 11:16 AM Rick Muething <rmuething@...> wrote:

Andy,

Comparing FT8 and FT4 with VARA and P3, P4 is like comparing a golf cart to a Porche!

FT8, FT4 are great for exchanging minimal information (call sign, signal report, Grid square) and they do that well BECAUSE they are so SLOW聽 and narrow bandwidth聽 (Higher Eb/No聽 ....just as Claude Shannon describes in his 1948 landmark paper on channel capacity. They satisfy a niche especially if one is trying to make the maximum number of contacts at low power聽 each exchanging a very short message.

VARA, P3, P4聽 Transmit much larger data (text + attachments up to say 30 K bytes)聽 at ~1000 x (or more) than the FT8 or FT4 rate .聽 They require stronger signals than FT-4 of FT-8 and a wider bandwidth. 聽 These modes again operate in exact accordance with Shannon's thesis (now proven).聽 They are what you want to use if you are transmitting a sizeable message/attachment or have to send a large amount of traffic.聽 These modes are also automatically adaptive (changing their Eb/No and FEC level automatically)聽 so they can follow a changing path over 20 dB or more and with varying amounts of multipath.聽

As hams we should all try to understand the basics of what Shannon proved.聽 It would make better use of our limited spectrum an different bjectives.聽 But comparing VARA and FT8 is like comparing an High Definition commercial TV transmission with a deep space photo taken from NASA Voyager using a 10 watt transmitter at 10 bits/second. 聽 Both have their uses but are not in competition.

Rick Muething, KN6KB,聽 Winlink Development Team

On 7/6/2020 2:46 PM, Andrew OBrien wrote:
I think FT8 and FT4 have shown that wide adoption of a digital mode is achieved when popular awards , like DXCC , are associated with use of the mode . If , for some odd reason, ARRL developed an award for receiving email from 100 or more DXCC entities via VARA ... VARA 聽would have many more users . Despite VARA , Ardop, Winmor and Pactor having some utilization in emcomm . these modes seem destined to be niche products in the ham world .聽

Andy
K3uk聽

Digital modes via SDR = Multipsk or SDR-Radio.com



--
Andy


Re: vARIM Messaging Program for VARA HF Modem - version 1.1

Graham
 

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 10:55 PM, Bob NW8L wrote:
It allows live key-board chat
Thank's Bob , that looks聽 a聽 little聽 on the聽 heavy side ,聽 compared to the聽 vara chat聽 module聽
its 'chat' aces to the聽 500 modem that聽 I'm interested in , I't may function聽 well聽 on MF聽
but聽 with聽 simplicity to deploy .聽is there聽 any form of聽 聽 'cut down version'聽 about ?

Tnx-Graham


Re: Whats new in VARA 4 ? #VARA #qrp

Graham
 

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 04:33 PM, Andrew O'Brien wrote:
If magically a keyboard QSO of ARDOP came out tomorrow with decoding capability聽five times 'deeper" than FT8 but for some reason, ARRL excluded it from DXCC, it would not gain wide adoption.聽 聽Perhaps a long-winded way of me pointing out that awards are the biggest attraction to the average HF ham.
Actually there already is such a thing , and its adif listed , though there聽 is a聽 issue聽 with聽Semantic change dependant聽 on location聽 .. the most prolific deployment can be聽 found on the聽 11 meter聽 band聽 ...

73-G


Re: Whats new in VARA 4 ? #VARA #qrp

KD7JYK DM09
 

"awards are the biggest attraction to the average HF ham."

"Really??? Almost all the hams I know do not chase paper.(maybe 20-30 that I know well enough to say that) Maybe it's different in your area?"

I've been in radio since 1977, and a "Ham" since 1994. I've HEARD paper chasing is an interest, even read about it a few times, never seen, directly heard from those that do it, or personally known of one that does it, whether QSL card, awards, certificates, et cetera. I imagine, among those that do it, it's a thing, however, across scores of clubs as a member, and officer, hundreds of forums, a good portion of the country that I've traveled, the operating I've done, and the DX my wife chases, I can safely say I've only ever heard about it, perhaps a half dozen times, in 40+ years. If it's a thing, it's not a big, or well known thing, even across the radio services.

Kurt


Re: Whats new in VARA 4 ? #VARA #qrp

kt67
 

RE:" awards are the biggest attraction to the average HF ham. "

Really???
Almost all the hams I know do not chase paper.(maybe 20-30 that I know well
enough to say that)

Maybe it's different in your area?

KT4WO

On 7/7/20, Andrew O'Brien <andrewobrie@gmail.com> wrote:
I was not intending to "compare" them. I have fun with all of them. I
was attempting to contrast the popularity of FT8 and 4 with the many
attempts over the years to get wider adoption of various digital modes that
have come and gone. My point was that most modes are minority interest and
that mass utilization of a particular mode is closely associated with award
chasing. Ardop, Winmor and others do have many users thanks to their
utility and a dedicated core group of emcomm types , but wider use is not
likely because the masses center on award chasing. Example: If magically a
keyboard QSO of ARDOP came out tomorrow with decoding capability five times
'deeper" than FT8 but for some reason, ARRL excluded it from DXCC, it would
not gain wide adoption. Perhaps a long-winded way of me pointing out that
awards are the biggest attraction to the average HF ham.

Andy K3UK



On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 11:16 AM Rick Muething <rmuething@cfl.rr.com> wrote:

Andy,

Comparing FT8 and FT4 with VARA and P3, P4 is like comparing a golf cart
to a Porche!

FT8, FT4 are great for exchanging minimal information (call sign, signal
report, Grid square) and they do that well BECAUSE they are so SLOW and
narrow bandwidth (Higher Eb/No ....just as Claude Shannon describes in
his 1948 landmark paper on channel capacity. They satisfy a niche
especially if one is trying to make the maximum number of contacts at low
power each exchanging a very short message.

VARA, P3, P4 Transmit much larger data (text + attachments up to say 30
K
bytes) at ~1000 x (or more) than the FT8 or FT4 rate . They require
stronger signals than FT-4 of FT-8 and a wider bandwidth. These modes
again operate in exact accordance with Shannon's thesis (now proven).
They
are what you want to use if you are transmitting a sizeable
message/attachment or have to send a large amount of traffic. These
modes
are also automatically adaptive (changing their Eb/No and FEC level
automatically) so they can follow a changing path over 20 dB or more and
with varying amounts of multipath.

As hams we should all try to understand the basics of what Shannon
proved. It would make better use of our limited spectrum an different
bjectives. But comparing VARA and FT8 is like comparing an High
Definition
commercial TV transmission with a deep space photo taken from NASA
Voyager
using a 10 watt transmitter at 10 bits/second. Both have their uses but
are not in competition.

Rick Muething, KN6KB, Winlink Development Team
On 7/6/2020 2:46 PM, Andrew OBrien wrote:

I think FT8 and FT4 have shown that wide adoption of a digital mode is
achieved when popular awards , like DXCC , are associated with use of the
mode . If , for some odd reason, ARRL developed an award for receiving
email from 100 or more DXCC entities via VARA ... VARA would have many
more users . Despite VARA , Ardop, Winmor and Pactor having some
utilization in emcomm . these modes seem destined to be niche products in
the ham world .

Andy
K3uk

Digital modes via SDR = Multipsk or SDR-Radio.com
------------------------------



--
Andy



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